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Ep 25 - The Whale: To Live A Celestial Life, Sometimes You Have to Stare Into the Abyss

Can you atone for years of hurt after a major breach of trust by asking forgiveness? And are people inherently awful to each other or are they unable to help caring for each other? We welcome Glen Nelson of the Center for Latter-day Saint Arts and David Sandhu onto the podcast to discuss The Whale, Darren Aronofsky's latest film. Watch Carl's perspective change over the course of the episode as we discuss compassion and what obligations we have to care for those with self-destructive behaviors.

Our Ratings: Content: Telestrial Artistic Merit: 4 popcorn balls Gospel Connections: 4 apricots

Best Books:

Carl - The Mandalorian, season 3 (Disney+) (Darth Jar Jar?)

Liz - Heike's Void by Steven Peck

David - Becoming Abolitionists: Police, Protests, and the Pursuit of Freedom by Derecka Purnell

Glen - The Brilliant Darkness!

Podcast Shout-out:

Tribe of Testimonies: Episode 100: Andrea Hales - Navajo

(To be clear, Tribe of Testimonies is not part of Public Square Media. We just love the podcast!)


Other Aronofsky films:

The Fountain


The Wrestler

The Season: "Prejudicial Restraint," Glen Nelson's article for The Season that first alerted us to the LDS connections of this film

Grace and Frankie (Netflix)

That podcast on CS Lewis's essay on forgiveness is Lesser Known Lewis's S2E20 Lent — "On Forgiveness" with William O'Flaherty (Part 1)

More about the play and the playwright:

NYTimes interview with Samuel D. Hunter about The Whale (play)

MacArthur Foundation citation for Samuel D Hunter

Play program with interesting interview with Samuel D Hunter

Find Us:

Carl - Twitter: @CarlCranney

Liz -

David - TikTok: @imasandhu

Glen - email:; The Center's Studio Podcast

Video editing by Liz Busby; Audio mastering by Carl Cranney

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