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Ep 24 - Arrival: In Heaven We Will All Speak Heptapod

Updated: Mar 29

Do we understand God as clearly as we think, or do we have to fight through as many difficulties as Louise does when conversing with the heptapods in the film Arrival? Our guests Paul Williams and Michael Davenport have a lot to say about this and other questions. We delve into Louise as a type of Eve and nature of her choice to bring a child into the world in spite of certain death, including meditating on our own fallen mortality. Join us for this special one-year anniversary episode of the podcast!

Our Ratings: Content: Celestial Artistic Merit: 5 popcorn balls Gospel Connections: 5 apricots

Best Books:

Liz - The History of Honey Spring by Darren Cozzens (apologies to Darren for getting the title slightly wrong in the podcast!)

Carl - Kirtland, City of Revelation: A Joseph Smith Papers (podcast)

Paul - Tales of Alvin Maker series by Orson Scott Card; Book of the New Sun series by Gene Wolfe (Paul discusses it on this YouTube video)

Michael - The Reckoners series by Brandon Sanderson

Public Square Media Shout-out:

Public Square Magazine: Andor: A Journey Through the Ethics of Positivism


NPR's List of Top 100 Science-Fiction, Fantasy Books (printable)

Dark Knight Returns comic

House MD

Meg Conley discusses Arrival on the Youth Movie Ministry podcast: Vol. 2, Episode 9: How to Live in a Circle

When Breath Becomes Air by Paul Kalanithi

The Player of Games by Iain M Banks

John 14:26

Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes: Removing Cultural Blinders to Better Understand the Bible Paperback by E. Randolph Richards and Brandon J. O'Brien

Harold B Lee BYU devotional "Prayer, Purity, and Power"

D&C 121:45-46

His Dark Materials trilogy by Philip Pullman

The Tombs of Atuan by Ursula K. Le Guin

Find Us:

Michael - FB: latterdaysaintgeeks; IG: latterdaysaintgeeks

Paul - FB: Paul Williams;

Carl - Twitter: @CarlCranney

Liz -

Video editing by Liz Busby; Audio mastering by Carl Cranney

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